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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:11    Post subject: Leather seat base swapping sides Reply with quote

Forgive me if this has been asked before but nothing obvious coming up in my searches.
I have a 2003 LC4 with grey leather seats all electric etc.
The drivers side seat base is very worn and split as previous owner was vertically challenged, I intend to attempt repair but I was trying to find out if I can swap the drivers seat base with the passenger side as this would obviously put the repaired section against the transmission tunnel
Any help and advise would be greatly appreciated
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:40    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, decided to give it a go, someone put it together so surely you must be able to take it apart.
My reason to swap was to put the badly worn seat side to the transmission tunnel so that after repair the future wear should be minimised.
Its possible and was reasonably straight forward,disconect batteries,  took both seats out, disconected all the wiring having removed plastic trims. then just unclipped the seat bases and swapped them over.
Needed to trim side of seat leather to fit adjustment control box then just re-assemble.
Leather repair kit off Fleabay to stitch, patch, glue, fill and colour damage and it looks amazing.
Refit seats and it looks so much better, very pleased.
So you can do it
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 7:40    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well done Nitram. Was thinking about doing the same. this has given me the confidence to give it a go
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 23:25    Post subject: Reply with quote

Me too.  Mine isn't bad but for sure the diver outside bolster is more worn than the passenger inside.
I'd like some more detail though.  When you say took seats out do you mean remove the whole seat assembly from the car as I'd imagine that would be a big job.  Can you not do it insitu?  i'd imagined just lifting out the seat (the bit you sit on) on both sides and swapping over.  Obviously unplugging the heated seat connection.
I'd assumed that the adjustments were all part of the frame and the padding and leather was separate.  What plastic trims need to be removed?  Funnily enough I was speaking to a professional upholster about doing this the other day and he was going to look into it too.  Seems an obvious improvement if its not too hard.  I assume you needed to trim for the control box on both sides as they are opposite handed.
Have you got a link for the repair kit too please.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:55    Post subject: Reply with quote

I took both seats out completely, its only four bolts holdong them in, just prise off the plastic end cap trims to expose the bolts front and back (There is a youtube video showing this on a toyota four runner, its very similar)
Disconnect batteries for safety as you are interfering with airbags
Undo four bolts then tilt seat backwards to get to the wiring, three mutipin connectors and on passenger seat there is an additional pressure switch which activates seat belt warning light when someone is sat in it (This will need extending and running to drivers side when you have swapped seat base for continuity)
Remove seats complete
Flipped them upside down on workbench, looks scary under there but don't panic its fairly straight forward and logical, you can label, photo etc but most of it you don't need to touch.
Remove plastic trim that sits to the front and outside of seat,The buttons just pop off its then only two screws to the front and one to the rear, it comes off as one right angled piece  and an additional trim to the inside seat back base by seat belt.
Having removed trim you can better see how seat base is fixed to frame, along the front there is a plastic fixing strip sown to the leather which presses and clips down to the metal seat frame,
On the sides the inside edge is held down by similar plastic clip which is pressed down over the metal frame, similar to the outside edge but you have to unscrew the control box, three screws to access this clip.
Just carefully prise, pull these off, I made a tool by bending an old flat screw driver at a right angle to make a 'puller'
Nearly there, just two press in studs holding the leather to the frame on the hinge point where seat back joins seat base.
The seat base is now detached from the frame and can be lifted out, go steady with various wires etc just in case you haven't disconnected them.
I did the passenger seat first and it took me about an hour to remove and strip to a point when I removed the seat base, I removed all the clips holding the various wiring to the springs/wires that you will see. This wasn't necessary as the foam is not connected to the frame, it just sits on it, its just the plastic clips over the metal frame.
As I had already repaired the worn leather I simply swapped the bases and reassembled in reverse order but now would be a good time to do repairs as you can do it inside on the kitchen table.
Things to note when reassembling.
As identified the seat control box won't fit until you trim the leather a little so that it can be screwed back to the base, you could make a template but I just carefully offered the box up and trimmed holes in leather until it fitted and I could get the screws to bite and it fitted properly.
Because you now have the passenger side on the drivers seat you need to connect the pressure switch to the passenger side wiring, I just cut the connector off and extended the wiring, running it up through the transmission tunnel for continuity.
Now I am not sure if this pressure switch does more than just activate the seat belt warning light on dash when passenger fails to put their belt on. It may have something to do with air bag deployment, I figured that worst case senario was that in the event of a deployment both sides would activate even if there was no passenger, hey ho
In summary its a fairly straight forward logical job if you take your time, I labelled all the wiring but probably wasn't necessary.
Reassembly is straightforward reversal and was very satisfying to do.
The leather repair kit I used was off fleabay by a company called Furniture Clinic, you specify the colour and you get an assortment of pigments to exactly match, it was 22.90 for next day delivery and came with good instructions. There are plenty of tutorials on youtube.
Hope this helps
Sorry I didnt do a proper 'how to' with photo's but I just got up one morning thought sod it how hard can it be and what could possibly go wrong.
Good luck
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:54    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well done and thanks for the in depth instructions.

Hopefully its not something i shall need to do on the current vehicle, because soon as i bought it fitted a good quality comfortable sheepskin cover to the driver's seat which takes all the wear from sliding on and off the seat edge so the seat base is still in very good condition.

I wish sometimes we had the Japanese home market cars here instead of those specified as UK spec, ie where you can still have higher spec vehicles but with much more comfortable velour type material upholstery, which is warm in winter and cool in summer, the very opposite of leather.
My 70 series was the velour type material of the time despite being VX spec, it wore well, was a quiet material warm and comfortable.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 18:10    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nitram
Thats a great description you have provided there and just the sort of thing that I'd be happy doing too.
I will get to it too but I need to finish similar activities on my Alfa which was complete interior rebuild.  Its off to Italy in summer with the owners club as a 40th birthday treat for it - back to where it was built so I have to focus on that for now and the LC will have to wait for a while but thanks for that - it will be invaluable come the time.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 14:35    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have started to do this job also but have hit upon a snag well a couple actually.
First and most importantly is in regard to the wiring associated with the seatbelts.  On the passenger side the multi-pin connector has 4 wires and on the drivers side it has 6 and they are not compatible (different shape).  I can see that it would be possible to swap over the harness on the seat base to overcome this and swap over the seat belt mechanism in the seat also.  I was about to do this but have stopped because I don't think its a good idea.  My concern is that if I do this the car is being fooled into thinking that there is no driver and that in the event of an accident the steering wheel airbag will not deploy and maybe the seat airbags will not operate correctly also.  Nitram did mention the need to wire up the pressure sensor from the passenger seat that has become the drivers seat but did not not mention the difference in seatbelt wiring.  Maybe his car does not have that difference but mine certainly does.  My opinion is that there is more information being gathered and used when the drivers seatbelt is engaged.  One option is to swap over just the leather part and leave the seat bases and electrics as original but separating the leather from the foam is not that easy and requires the use of specialist upholsterer tools and skills.
The other less important is an issue that Nitram also notes is that in swap over process the seat controller is on the opposite side of the leather following the swap so you need to cut holes to mount the controller on the other side.  However the consequence is that on the inside (next to the transmission tunnel there will be visible holes in the leather where the controller had previously been in its original configuration.  Might not be a burning issue for some given that they have improved the appearance of the more visible part of the worn seat.  But it will be quite obvious to see what has been done unless you stitch in or patch over with a piece of matching leather.

Just a warning for others who are considering doing this job.  I'm not going to proceed with the change due to my concerns that it impacts on the safety of the vehicle.  The pictures below demonstrate the differences in connector type.

https://ibb.co/7Vg5xy9
https://ibb.co/nzNWndy
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 11:35    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please ignore my previous note on this - its wrong.
Will issue an update when the job is complete - sorry folks
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 13:19    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have completed the job and I would say its a success.  Many Many thanks to Nitram for his excellent posting that gave me the confidence to tackle this myself.  I'd say that its within the capability of most practical people but I have included here a step by step guide expanding on Nitram's one with pictures so you can gauge the complexity and pitfalls before embarking on it yourselves.  Only point not in the description is the need to cut the leather to accommodate the controller within is now on the opposite side of the cushion - its not hard though really just take out small bits at a time until you can get the controller mounted - a bit fiddly but nae that bad!

Land Cruiser 120 Seat Cushion swap procedure with pictures.

Here is the before picture Drivers cushion (worn)
https://ibb.co/bX2L9LW

There are 4 bolts holding down both seats which are undone with a 14mm socket after removing the plastic covers which just prize off with at trim removal tool.
https://ibb.co/sK4nMbb

When you tilt back the sets you see this.  All of the multi-pin connectors need to be undone to remove the seat from the car.  They are heavy but not too hard to get out of the door.  For the driver side put the steering wheel as close to the dash as possible.
https://ibb.co/XYTvVjr

When you get them inside the front and side trim needs to be removed.  There are 3 screws that look like this and 2 that attach to the control box on the out side of the seat.
https://ibb.co/19vB6vC

https://ibb.co/88ZzXbk

https://ibb.co/WpGkx76

https://ibb.co/Yd7BWkz

These clips at the rear need to be upclipped you can do it with strong fingers and a bit of determination they are easier to put back on.
https://ibb.co/hFfdRF5

The=is is the control box removed but not unplugged yet (passenger one shown).  The diver side has an additional lumber support with a separate milti pin attached to the side plate so be careful with that and dont break the wires.  The 3 screws that attach the control box are the same as the ones holding on trim but in my case were very tight.  Make sure to have exactly the correct cross head screwdriver and orientate the seat so you are pushing DOWN on the screws or you will damage the screw head.
https://ibb.co/G9yMpc4

I removed the seatbelt socket and side panel here too probably not necessary but Im sure it makes getting the cushion out a bit easier.  Then its just a case of unclipping all of the nylon clips along the side and front of the cushion.  Some of the edges are sharp and I have the wee cuts to prove this!
https://ibb.co/J2Kvqzw

https://ibb.co/CBP8Tmw


Finally remember to unplug the weight sensor cable shown here prior to taking out the cushion.  Just applies to the passenger one.
https://ibb.co/y0XN8cM

Then you can admire your handy work on the bench (on a dogs bed btw)
https://ibb.co/pxdrh8M

This is the underside
https://ibb.co/z6Yr9dw

Reassembly with the cushions swapped over is pretty obvious just dont loose any screws or clips.  You should end up with this on your garage floor ready to put back in the car.   You will see that the pressure sensor is now of course on the drivers seat. On the passenger seat there is a small connector block that is waiting for the new wire that needs to be run from the drivers seat cushion to the passenger seat electrics where the connector block is.  Use a decent size cable and retain polarity  duhh!  Only thing with this workaround is that if you are driving by yourself you need to have the passenger seatbelt engaged as well as yours.  As the car thinks now there is someone in the passenger seat when it actually someone in the drivers one.  Otherwise the red passenger fix seatbelt warning will be on all the time.
https://ibb.co/17T5VVQ

Now you will have a passenger seat that looks like this.
https://ibb.co/BV6d9L5

And best of all a drivers seat that looks like well NEW!
https://ibb.co/dmwHM2W
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 13:20    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have completed the job and I would say its a success.  Many Many thanks to Nitram for his excellent posting that gave me the confidence to tackle this myself.  I'd say that its within the capability of most practical people but I have included here a step by step guide expanding on Nitram's one with pictures so you can gauge the complexity and pitfalls before embarking on it yourselves.  Only point not in the description is the need to cut the leather to accommodate the controller within is now on the opposite side of the cushion - its not hard though really just take out small bits at a time until you can get the controller mounted - a bit fiddly but nae that bad!

Land Cruiser 120 Seat Cushion swap procedure with pictures.

Here is the before picture Drivers cushion (worn)
https://ibb.co/bX2L9LW

There are 4 bolts holding down both seats which are undone with a 14mm socket after removing the plastic covers which just prize off with at trim removal tool.
https://ibb.co/sK4nMbb

When you tilt back the sets you see this.  All of the multi-pin connectors need to be undone to remove the seat from the car.  They are heavy but not too hard to get out of the door.  For the driver side put the steering wheel as close to the dash as possible.
https://ibb.co/XYTvVjr

When you get them inside the front and side trim needs to be removed.  There are 3 screws that look like this and 2 that attach to the control box on the out side of the seat.
https://ibb.co/19vB6vC

https://ibb.co/88ZzXbk

https://ibb.co/WpGkx76

https://ibb.co/Yd7BWkz

These clips at the rear need to be upclipped you can do it with strong fingers and a bit of determination they are easier to put back on.
https://ibb.co/hFfdRF5

The=is is the control box removed but not unplugged yet (passenger one shown).  The diver side has an additional lumber support with a separate milti pin attached to the side plate so be careful with that and dont break the wires.  The 3 screws that attach the control box are the same as the ones holding on trim but in my case were very tight.  Make sure to have exactly the correct cross head screwdriver and orientate the seat so you are pushing DOWN on the screws or you will damage the screw head.
https://ibb.co/G9yMpc4

I removed the seatbelt socket and side panel here too probably not necessary but Im sure it makes getting the cushion out a bit easier.  Then its just a case of unclipping all of the nylon clips along the side and front of the cushion.  Some of the edges are sharp and I have the wee cuts to prove this!
https://ibb.co/J2Kvqzw

https://ibb.co/CBP8Tmw


Finally remember to unplug the weight sensor cable shown here prior to taking out the cushion.  Just applies to the passenger one.
https://ibb.co/y0XN8cM

Then you can admire your handy work on the bench (on a dogs bed btw)
https://ibb.co/pxdrh8M

This is the underside
https://ibb.co/z6Yr9dw

Reassembly with the cushions swapped over is pretty obvious just dont loose any screws or clips.  You should end up with this on your garage floor ready to put back in the car.   You will see that the pressure sensor is now of course on the drivers seat. On the passenger seat there is a small connector block that is waiting for the new wire that needs to be run from the drivers seat cushion to the passenger seat electrics where the connector block is.  Use a decent size cable and retain polarity  duhh!  Only thing with this workaround is that if you are driving by yourself you need to have the passenger seatbelt engaged as well as yours.  As the car thinks now there is someone in the passenger seat when it actually someone in the drivers one.  Otherwise the red passenger fix seatbelt warning will be on all the time.
https://ibb.co/17T5VVQ

Now you will have a passenger seat that looks like this.
https://ibb.co/BV6d9L5

And best of all a drivers seat that looks like well NEW!
https://ibb.co/dmwHM2W
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 13:20    Post subject: Reply with quote

ahh twice!
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Great post, thanks, will be really useful to members in the future
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