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 Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 21:19 Post subject: Get your big-ends done NOW! |
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Spoke to a friend who runs a Land Rover specialists today.
This week he's had 2 Land Cruisers in with blown engines, both caused by big-end failure. Interestingly, one of them is an early 24V engine. Both had done more than 140K miles.
One has put a rod through the block, the other has broken a rod and the crank. Bearing (no pun intended) in mind a crank is £1500 on it's own, both cars have effectively been written off.
He's tried just about every breaker in the land, and guess what? Of the few that have 80 series LC's in the yard, none of them have running engines. Kind of tells you all you really need to know. |
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Who was the specialist ? Near London ?
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| No, he's just outside Milton Keynes. |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 13:41 Post subject: Get you big- ends done NOW! |
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Hi, I have 150+k on the clock, does it make a difference between manual/auto box, as I would presume auto would be a little more gentle on an engine, or am I kidding myself? Mine is auto, sounds loverly, but now I have this fear its gonna go bang, in saying that I am preparing to replace them ASAP, ie in the next two weeks  |
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lucky
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No difference between Auto and Manual. It seems to be due to the OE bearing material. New bearing shells will fix the problem. I did mine recently, about a 4 hour job and easily within the capability of the home mechanic, engine stays in situ and sump comes off underneath by jacking up the chassis to give some clearance allowing the front axle to drop a little (wheels stay on the ground though, only needs about 2 inch extra clearance).
On removing my bearings they were fine but it was good to know that they were changed. Change the cap bolts as well while you are doing this.
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mettisse
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| Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 16:16 Post subject: Get your big-end bearings done NOW! |
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Is there any reason not to use another white metal bearing supplier?are Toyota shells superior? do I need a new gasket for the sump, or do I buy a bottom end gasket kit? does the oil pressure increase with the new shells fitted?. I will of course have new oil, fiters etc, are there any additives that are reccomended? Thanks for the help, I read most of the postings on this subject, but as you know, you just can't beat experience . This is one of those things that if no one had put the flag up there might be a lot of us looking for engines, Best Regards.  |
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lucky
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| Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 17:39 Post subject: Re: Get your big-end bearings done NOW! |
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| Is there any reason not to use another white metal bearing supplier?are Toyota shells superior? do I need a new gasket for the sump, or do I buy a bottom end gasket kit? does the oil pressure increase with the new shells fitted?. I will of course have new oil, fiters etc, are there any additives that are reccomended? Thanks for the help, I read most of the postings on this subject, but as you know, you just can't beat experience . This is one of those things that if no one had put the flag up there might be a lot of us looking for engines, Best Regards. |
I got my bearing from Milners, they seem OK. The Sump does not use a gasket, just silicon sealant. My Oil pressure was fine before and didn't change however it should increase if the old bearings were worn badly.
I only tend to use Wynns additives (Stop smoke and stop leak, however an engine in overall good condition should not need them, I just use as a belt and braces approach.
Also it's by no means all the engines, some later 1HD-T and early 1HD-FT engines suffered from it.
Another possible cause is the use of the wrong oil. Supposedly the Japanese diesel engines run better on low ash oils like BP Vanellus.
I think one problem is that people expect so much of the Big Toyota Diesels and they abuse them by not changing oil frequent enough. Also because the rest of the vehicle is built so strong they forget that all engines need a bit of TLC when they get to reasonably high mileages. The 1HD-T problem tends not to show for at least 120K miles by which time some other makes engines would have had a far higher level of maintenance required and more problems. A set of BEBs on a 1HD-T which can be changed at home for less than 50 quid is what I cvall a reliable engine if that's all that needs doing after 120K miles.
Lets not blow this one out of proportion, I would prefer to say that the BEB is a recommended service item at 100K miles (it is an easy service job really) and as the timing belt is so easy to change I think us LC owners got off light.
It seems that the problem is with a batch of Big end shells thta were redesigned using differernt materials and used for a few years, long term they proved to be inadequate and so they were changed by Toyota. There is probably a recall out there somewhere for it.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 18:04 Post subject: Get you big-end bearings done NOW! |
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Thanks i feel quite confident now to get on with it. I agree that after such high milage it is a small price to pay, and quite rightly to view it as a service item, I know that on large diesel engines used in plant applications it is quite the norm to change the BEB's after high hours of use. I have just sold my LR Discvery diesel with 175k on it, still runs great, but I have been very pedantic on the maintenance, I'm sure the 'cruiser will serve me as well with the same TLC, sad thing is back in '95 I had to choose between the LR and the 'cruiser, I thought I would'nt be able to afford the servicing on theL/C and bought the Disco, ah well, life is so simple in hindsight. Best Regards  |
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