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TonyS · *** Joined: 25 Feb 2007 Posts: 204 Location: Worcester

Do the 100s have plastic wheel trims too, or they not a great overlander either, as they are bigger still than the 120 or 150!!

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wildsmith · Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 16:00 Post subject:

The 80 was the last proper off roader that we got here in the UK all the rest are luxury / ability compromises and I bet 20 years ago much the same was said of the 80 and it's ancestors! If you have a proper off roader why would you be worrying about if it shows scratches or can have little plastic bits replaced? Once you have IFS and a hand full of ECU's on the truck you might as well accept that you're a softie and make the most of it Laughing

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garystockton · Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 16:16 Post subject:

Point. But I think it's interesting to note that speaking in general terms it's the fancy gizmos that cause the most trouble - early D-4Ds seemingly had issues, the 100 steering wheel motors and suspension AHC give hassles, the 200 has issues with the diff and suspension lean (there are reports of the vehicle leaning in one corner for no apparent reason). The 80 and 105? Not much, really - some bits could do with being beefed up a bit (front diff comes to mind) but overall they're much stronger and more capable I think. Pity they're now made of unobtainium Laughing

I guess the issue is that we are, probably, a small market to Toyota, especially in the 'luxury' segment. Thus we only get the 'soft roader' versions. I wouldn't like to take a standard 100, 200, 120 or 150 overlanding. Modified - no problem. But you shouldn't have to do that. So we'd like to buy the lower-specced, more capable, vehicles for that sort of thing, but Toyota UK don't bring them in. I can't see you off building coursees using the 150 instead of your 'Lux, Tony Wink

In the other world markets (except US) there are the more 'ruggedised' versions available - and Toyota Gibraltar obviously sell piles of them - just not to us. So we tend to keep the after-market folk busy, e.g. ARB, TJM etc. and lots of suspension specialists. Wonder why - could it be that our stock vehicle is not capable in it's out-the-showroom guise? I reckon so. The first time I went off-road in my 120, in stock-standard form, I struggled, getting stuck where vehicles with better tyres and after-market suspension waddled through. So I changed the tyres. Much better - but still clearance issues. So I'm going up anothe 40mm with after-market suspension, and we'll see how that does when we come to the farm next. I don't think the 120 or 150 or 100 even in standard form would get up Rubie's Hill! But I reckon a happily modded vehicle will, if driven properly. and a pretty stock 80 with off-road biased tyres probably would get up there on standard suspension.... Cool

I don't really want the fancy stuff - I don't want to drive at 80mph in a Land Cruiser, all the time, thanks! I'd rather have decent articulation and clearance, and under-body protection than TEMS / KDSS and little cameras telling me which way my wheels are pointing, and 20" wheels you can't get decent off-road tyres for at a reasonable price, or an electronic function to govern the motor and traction control so I can get through obstacles like 'moguls' Twisted Evil

I'd rather have front, centre and rear lockers so I can choose whn to use them, and when they're on, know that I'm going to get so far stuck that I'll really be in trouble!! Wink

But then - see my desired use? It's not a horse-box tower, or a daily-drive, even - it's becoming quite a specialised vehicle, with a bit of effort. I think the 150 can be too, it'll just need a bit more effort.

Anyway - just my 2p worth... not wanting stir too much ...
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Crispin · Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 16:16 Post subject:

Crispin · Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 16:25 Post subject:

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I don't really want the fancy stuff - I don't want to drive at 80mph in a Land Cruiser, all the time, thanks! I'd rather have decent articulation and clearance, and under-body protection than TEMS / KDSS and little cameras telling me which way my wheels are pointing, and 20" wheels you can't get decent off-road tyres for at a reasonable price, or an electronic function to govern the motor and traction control so I can get through obstacles like 'moguls'
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How high did your blood pressure get when writing this? Wink

When you are stuck though, you can see how badly you are stuck with the 4 little cameras and then await the AA Shocked

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garystockton · Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 16:26 Post subject:

garystockton · Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 16:29 Post subject:

TonyS · *** Joined: 25 Feb 2007 Posts: 204 Location: Worcester

I agree with Jon, the 80 really does take some beating, and your replies to my earlier question. I was just putting in about the 100 for a bit of debate, Wink

as scratches are the inevitable,whether plastic or not. The 100 was a big change from the 80,and got knocked, but i know lots of folks who want one now.
I guess there is the 78 series with that stonking V8 diesel for the working trucks in Oz. Shame we cant get it here.
I will try it out in the wood, but for any vehicle to drive off road, the biggest upgrade must be tyres, and set at correct pressures.Yes the wife wants bigger tyres on it. Might wait a while.!!

TonyS · *** Joined: 25 Feb 2007 Posts: 204 Location: Worcester

Crispin, the cameras dont show you which way the wheels are, but the info screen in the dash does Wink

TonyS · *** Joined: 25 Feb 2007 Posts: 204 Location: Worcester

sorry,Gary!!

garystockton · Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 16:46 Post subject:

Oh, it's ok - I know all us colonials sound the same Wink

Wonder how long before someone does a mod for the cameras and gives you a joystick on the centre dash to point them wherever you want them Cool

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garystockton · Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 16:47 Post subject:

Anyway, when we get to Lincomb again, we'll all probably go 'ooh' and 'aaah' over your shiny 150, as per normal Laughing

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Crispin · Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 16:50 Post subject:

Crispin · Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 16:52 Post subject:

garystockton · Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 16:58 Post subject:

Oh that's good - and a little speaker inside too, so you could talk to them from inside the car on your CB PA function....

Smacks of a candid-camera moment, ala Funny People and the talking post box ...
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